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		<title>By: Robert Swartwood</title>
		<link>http://www.robertswartwood.com/rants/lazy-is-as-lazy-does/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Swartwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, Daniel, I know exactly what you mean and where you&#039;re coming from. That&#039;s why for the previous example I wanted to use the extreme case of a professional writer. I have many friends who are published by major publishing houses, who have won big awards, that I would consider professional writers but who still have to work another job to pay the bills. That&#039;s just the way it is. One friend of mine who&#039;s married and has kids said he would just like to eventually get to the point where he could work part-time so he could spend more time writing. As Joe Konrath once put it, more people play in the NFL then there are people writing full-time. Plus, there&#039;s an argument on just what &quot;professional&quot; means. I&#039;d say some novice writers could be considered professional in the way they go about their writing and whatever else. That&#039;s why I&#039;m not fond of some writers&#039; organizations making writers think they&#039;re only &quot;professional&quot; if they are published by magazines that pay five cents or more (or &quot;active&quot; status in most cases). Anyway again, just so we&#039;re on the same wavelength, my previous point was to use the extreme case of a professional writer, not what is no doubt the normal, more realistic case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, Daniel, I know exactly what you mean and where you&#8217;re coming from. That&#8217;s why for the previous example I wanted to use the extreme case of a professional writer. I have many friends who are published by major publishing houses, who have won big awards, that I would consider professional writers but who still have to work another job to pay the bills. That&#8217;s just the way it is. One friend of mine who&#8217;s married and has kids said he would just like to eventually get to the point where he could work part-time so he could spend more time writing. As Joe Konrath once put it, more people play in the NFL then there are people writing full-time. Plus, there&#8217;s an argument on just what &#8220;professional&#8221; means. I&#8217;d say some novice writers could be considered professional in the way they go about their writing and whatever else. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not fond of some writers&#8217; organizations making writers think they&#8217;re only &#8220;professional&#8221; if they are published by magazines that pay five cents or more (or &#8220;active&#8221; status in most cases). Anyway again, just so we&#8217;re on the same wavelength, my previous point was to use the extreme case of a professional writer, not what is no doubt the normal, more realistic case.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Olivas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Olivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of your commentary, Robert, except for this one statement: &quot;...and for the sake of argument, let’s agree that a professional writer in this case is someone who makes a living off their writing and has no other source of income...&quot;  Yikes!  Most writers I know (including myself) actually make a living doing something else (in my case, government lawyer).  I know writers who teach, practice medicine or law, work in coffee joints, you name it.  I am a writer with four books published, another coming this fall, and two more coming in the next two years. Though I don&#039;t sell like Stephen King, my writing is studied in colleges, high schools, and grammar school (I have one kids&#039; book to my credit). Despite all this, I simply could not pay the bills with what I make from those book contracts.  Nor could I make a living with my pieces for the Los Angeles Times, Jewish Journal, California Lawyer, dozens of lit mags, literary anthologies, speaking engagements, etc. I have little doubt that many if not most &quot;professional&quot; writers are not living off of their writing.  In fact, I think that I am more creative and daring in my fiction and poetry because I don&#039;t have to rely upon my writing to pay the bills.  Other writers might operate the other way: they get creative only when the fear of starving pushes them.  Say, this sounds like a good theme for an anthology of essays: writers who earn a living doing other things.  Good night!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of your commentary, Robert, except for this one statement: &#8220;&#8230;and for the sake of argument, let’s agree that a professional writer in this case is someone who makes a living off their writing and has no other source of income&#8230;&#8221;  Yikes!  Most writers I know (including myself) actually make a living doing something else (in my case, government lawyer).  I know writers who teach, practice medicine or law, work in coffee joints, you name it.  I am a writer with four books published, another coming this fall, and two more coming in the next two years. Though I don&#8217;t sell like Stephen King, my writing is studied in colleges, high schools, and grammar school (I have one kids&#8217; book to my credit). Despite all this, I simply could not pay the bills with what I make from those book contracts.  Nor could I make a living with my pieces for the Los Angeles Times, Jewish Journal, California Lawyer, dozens of lit mags, literary anthologies, speaking engagements, etc. I have little doubt that many if not most &#8220;professional&#8221; writers are not living off of their writing.  In fact, I think that I am more creative and daring in my fiction and poetry because I don&#8217;t have to rely upon my writing to pay the bills.  Other writers might operate the other way: they get creative only when the fear of starving pushes them.  Say, this sounds like a good theme for an anthology of essays: writers who earn a living doing other things.  Good night!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Swartwood</title>
		<link>http://www.robertswartwood.com/rants/lazy-is-as-lazy-does/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Swartwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Nicole, I&#039;m not calling all writers lazy based on what links they did or did not click (I&#039;m sure some writers who did not even look at the examples will become successful with the form as, with most everything else, some people just get it and some people don&#039;t). Though I think it&#039;s a safe bet to assume this isn&#039;t an isolated incident. I&#039;d say that the most visited page for almost all online journals is the &quot;submission guidelines,&quot; followed maybe by the &quot;about&quot; or &quot;aesthetics,&quot; followed then by the actual individual stories published in each issue, and even those page views (people actually reading those stories) will be a small percentage. Writers don&#039;t seem to care so much about sending out a story suitable for a particular market but hoping their story ends up being liked enough by that editor. Is that wrong? No. Does that necessarily make them lazy? Not completely, but it definitely shows lack of effort. 

In regards to novice and professional writers (and for the sake of argument, let&#039;s agree that a professional writer in this case is someone who makes a living off their writing and has no other source of income), I think the most guilty party of being lazy is the in-between writer. The novice writer is going to keep writing and writing and writing, and if it&#039;s too hard for them, they stop, and if they don&#039;t, they keep plugging away no matter what. The professional writer lives and breathes by their writing contracts, so of course they can&#039;t be lazy, or how else will they put food on the table? The lazy writer -- again, this is all assumption -- is the writer who has managed to make a couple of sales, seen their name in print, and they try to work toward &quot;professional status&quot; but realize that it&#039;s much too hard, almost impossible, and so they stay in a sort of limbo. They become content publishing stories to certain markets because they know those markets will most likely accept their work, and they don&#039;t like being rejected, so they never try to sell their stories anyplace else. I don&#039;t know what you would call those writers, but I think they tend to slide toward the lazy (if not also insecure) part of the scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Nicole, I&#8217;m not calling all writers lazy based on what links they did or did not click (I&#8217;m sure some writers who did not even look at the examples will become successful with the form as, with most everything else, some people just get it and some people don&#8217;t). Though I think it&#8217;s a safe bet to assume this isn&#8217;t an isolated incident. I&#8217;d say that the most visited page for almost all online journals is the &#8220;submission guidelines,&#8221; followed maybe by the &#8220;about&#8221; or &#8220;aesthetics,&#8221; followed then by the actual individual stories published in each issue, and even those page views (people actually reading those stories) will be a small percentage. Writers don&#8217;t seem to care so much about sending out a story suitable for a particular market but hoping their story ends up being liked enough by that editor. Is that wrong? No. Does that necessarily make them lazy? Not completely, but it definitely shows lack of effort. </p>
<p>In regards to novice and professional writers (and for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s agree that a professional writer in this case is someone who makes a living off their writing and has no other source of income), I think the most guilty party of being lazy is the in-between writer. The novice writer is going to keep writing and writing and writing, and if it&#8217;s too hard for them, they stop, and if they don&#8217;t, they keep plugging away no matter what. The professional writer lives and breathes by their writing contracts, so of course they can&#8217;t be lazy, or how else will they put food on the table? The lazy writer &#8212; again, this is all assumption &#8212; is the writer who has managed to make a couple of sales, seen their name in print, and they try to work toward &#8220;professional status&#8221; but realize that it&#8217;s much too hard, almost impossible, and so they stay in a sort of limbo. They become content publishing stories to certain markets because they know those markets will most likely accept their work, and they don&#8217;t like being rejected, so they never try to sell their stories anyplace else. I don&#8217;t know what you would call those writers, but I think they tend to slide toward the lazy (if not also insecure) part of the scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.robertswartwood.com/rants/lazy-is-as-lazy-does/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know plenty of writers both novice and professional, and I can honestly say I would find it hard to call any of them lazy. Inexperienced, sure. Delusional, sure. Some even clueless. But anyone who spends hard hours glued to their keyboard instead of in front of a television doesn&#039;t deserved to be labeled lazy, especially based on what links they did and didn&#039;t click. 

I understand that your opening statement was a lead in to Word Hustler, and thought the demotivational image was hilarious, but the point of hint fiction is to read between the lines right? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know plenty of writers both novice and professional, and I can honestly say I would find it hard to call any of them lazy. Inexperienced, sure. Delusional, sure. Some even clueless. But anyone who spends hard hours glued to their keyboard instead of in front of a television doesn&#8217;t deserved to be labeled lazy, especially based on what links they did and didn&#8217;t click. </p>
<p>I understand that your opening statement was a lead in to Word Hustler, and thought the demotivational image was hilarious, but the point of hint fiction is to read between the lines right? <img src='http://www.robertswartwood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Swartwood</title>
		<link>http://www.robertswartwood.com/rants/lazy-is-as-lazy-does/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Swartwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on your comment, Nicole, you must not know many writers. :-D

Look, if you had actually read the post, you would see my mention of the web stats was more a note of fascination that anything else. Yes, not everyone who came to the site also looked at the winners and honorable mentions. I wouldn&#039;t expect everyone to. But out of the 2,500-plus stories submitted, it&#039;s clear the majority did not really take the time to learn the form or even glance at some examples. Are you telling me that those writers take their work very seriously? 

Also, how am I not judging each individual story on its own merit? Either the stories are good or they&#039;re not. Keep in mind this isn&#039;t my first rodeo; I&#039;ve worked as an editor before for many years, so this has been nothing new. In the end this is a business, and I&#039;m not looking to pat writers on the back but instead to put together a great anthology (that&#039;s not to say I won&#039;t try to be encouraging in my rejection letters). Does that mean I will outright reject a story for something minor? Absolutely not. I&#039;m willing to work with writers who want to put forward the effort, and while I know there are writers like that out there, in today&#039;s digital world they seem to be in the minority.  

And besides, I wasn&#039;t the one who said most writers want to be spoon-fed. I was just repeating what someone else had said -- that most of the writers SHE came in contact with seem to want to be spoon-fed. I just used that as a starting off point for my rant about Word Hustler, a site which shouldn&#039;t exist but does exist and why do you think that is? Obviously not a handful of writers are using their &quot;services&quot; but instead A LOT of writers. How are those writers not being lazy? 

Am I making sweeping generalizations about all writers? No, again I&#039;m specifically talking about those writers using Word Hustler. The truth is, everyone for the most part is lazy. We&#039;d all love the take the easy way out in just about everything. Of course that can&#039;t be the case, which brings up what you had said about learning by failing. It&#039;s a good point. That&#039;s what writing is, after all, trial and error. But if I understand you correctly, are you saying these writers who take themselves very seriously would rather learn by failing than take a couple moments and learn more about a specific market before they submit to it? You&#039;re right -- writers like that shouldn&#039;t be called lazy. They should be called clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on your comment, Nicole, you must not know many writers. <img src='http://www.robertswartwood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Look, if you had actually read the post, you would see my mention of the web stats was more a note of fascination that anything else. Yes, not everyone who came to the site also looked at the winners and honorable mentions. I wouldn&#8217;t expect everyone to. But out of the 2,500-plus stories submitted, it&#8217;s clear the majority did not really take the time to learn the form or even glance at some examples. Are you telling me that those writers take their work very seriously? </p>
<p>Also, how am I not judging each individual story on its own merit? Either the stories are good or they&#8217;re not. Keep in mind this isn&#8217;t my first rodeo; I&#8217;ve worked as an editor before for many years, so this has been nothing new. In the end this is a business, and I&#8217;m not looking to pat writers on the back but instead to put together a great anthology (that&#8217;s not to say I won&#8217;t try to be encouraging in my rejection letters). Does that mean I will outright reject a story for something minor? Absolutely not. I&#8217;m willing to work with writers who want to put forward the effort, and while I know there are writers like that out there, in today&#8217;s digital world they seem to be in the minority.  </p>
<p>And besides, I wasn&#8217;t the one who said most writers want to be spoon-fed. I was just repeating what someone else had said &#8212; that most of the writers SHE came in contact with seem to want to be spoon-fed. I just used that as a starting off point for my rant about Word Hustler, a site which shouldn&#8217;t exist but does exist and why do you think that is? Obviously not a handful of writers are using their &#8220;services&#8221; but instead A LOT of writers. How are those writers not being lazy? </p>
<p>Am I making sweeping generalizations about all writers? No, again I&#8217;m specifically talking about those writers using Word Hustler. The truth is, everyone for the most part is lazy. We&#8217;d all love the take the easy way out in just about everything. Of course that can&#8217;t be the case, which brings up what you had said about learning by failing. It&#8217;s a good point. That&#8217;s what writing is, after all, trial and error. But if I understand you correctly, are you saying these writers who take themselves very seriously would rather learn by failing than take a couple moments and learn more about a specific market before they submit to it? You&#8217;re right &#8212; writers like that shouldn&#8217;t be called lazy. They should be called clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the writers I know take their work very seriously, and I really don&#039;t see how web stats support the idea of writers wanting to be &quot;spoon fed.&quot;  Not everyone who came to the site entered the contest -- I&#039;m guessing there were around 1500 entrants since multiple entries were allowed. That number comfortably fits in 3000+ that clicked on the contest winners, so quite possibly a majority of those who submitted could have visited that page. 

And then there are those who learn by failing, which as painful as it can be, is still a valid way of learning. And some people are going to approach hint fiction as a quick diversion to their longer fiction, which is also fine. Stories should be judged on their merit, and I don&#039;t see the point of speculating how much work writers put into their stories and the submissions process, or making sweeping statements about the laziness of writers in general. Honestly, it&#039;s sort of off-putting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the writers I know take their work very seriously, and I really don&#8217;t see how web stats support the idea of writers wanting to be &#8220;spoon fed.&#8221;  Not everyone who came to the site entered the contest &#8212; I&#8217;m guessing there were around 1500 entrants since multiple entries were allowed. That number comfortably fits in 3000+ that clicked on the contest winners, so quite possibly a majority of those who submitted could have visited that page. </p>
<p>And then there are those who learn by failing, which as painful as it can be, is still a valid way of learning. And some people are going to approach hint fiction as a quick diversion to their longer fiction, which is also fine. Stories should be judged on their merit, and I don&#8217;t see the point of speculating how much work writers put into their stories and the submissions process, or making sweeping statements about the laziness of writers in general. Honestly, it&#8217;s sort of off-putting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.robertswartwood.com/rants/lazy-is-as-lazy-does/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry is so right. People do love to see their name in print or online.  Example: I got so excited that you quoted me, Robert, I even read it out loud to my husband. Yep, I did feel like a celebrity, but I don&#039;t think hubby was too impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry is so right. People do love to see their name in print or online.  Example: I got so excited that you quoted me, Robert, I even read it out loud to my husband. Yep, I did feel like a celebrity, but I don&#8217;t think hubby was too impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIN HOUSE? Sigh... big, big sigh. 

There is a website that will pen haiku for you. It&#039;s pretty good stuff, too. Perhaps they should hook up with WordHustler. 

I can&#039;t afford the Hustler rates. I&#039;ll plug away on my own, thank you. Great rant. I&#039;m especially mojo-ing on this writing is not easy stuff because I&#039;m in the thick of TOTALLY revamping my novel-in-progress. Suckola, but you do what needs to be done. Peace, Linda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIN HOUSE? Sigh&#8230; big, big sigh. </p>
<p>There is a website that will pen haiku for you. It&#8217;s pretty good stuff, too. Perhaps they should hook up with WordHustler. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t afford the Hustler rates. I&#8217;ll plug away on my own, thank you. Great rant. I&#8217;m especially mojo-ing on this writing is not easy stuff because I&#8217;m in the thick of TOTALLY revamping my novel-in-progress. Suckola, but you do what needs to be done. Peace, Linda</p>
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		<title>By: Tyhitia</title>
		<link>http://www.robertswartwood.com/rants/lazy-is-as-lazy-does/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyhitia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, I missed the bad grammar in the poster. I&#039;m sleepy. :-D It&#039;s nuts that people would pay someone else to spam agents. There are lots of clueless would-be writers out there. People ask me the strangest questions. I didn&#039;t even know that site existed. Thanks for sharing that, Robert. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, I missed the bad grammar in the poster. I&#8217;m sleepy. <img src='http://www.robertswartwood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s nuts that people would pay someone else to spam agents. There are lots of clueless would-be writers out there. People ask me the strangest questions. I didn&#8217;t even know that site existed. Thanks for sharing that, Robert. <img src='http://www.robertswartwood.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jonny kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonny kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - Yeah sorry about that, it&#039;s just my sad and depressing sense of humour trying to creep its way into my life again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; Yeah sorry about that, it&#8217;s just my sad and depressing sense of humour trying to creep its way into my life again.</p>
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